Impressions Thread discussion

[Darkwar]

man that means I have to drag out the whole ww2 kiwi kit! I got pics of the gear But I suppose its better to see it all on.....

well heres A basic ww2 pic, with the leather jerkin on, pattern 37' webbing [mostly 42' 43' dated], 1907 bayonet...fixed to a Number 1 Mark 3 Short Magazine Lee Enfield [SMLE] .303 rifle....standard British style battle bowler helmet..date 194?.[this helmet isnt one of mine, I forgot it the day of the photo, taken by Co. D.Gunson].

if people like I can take some pics, front and back, with/without greatcoat, other shit etc.. also if anybody has a entrenching tool handle that they dont want, I need one as the one I have is not army issue.

[nighthawk]

man that means I have to drag out the whole ww2 kiwi kit! I got pics of the gear But I suppose its better to see it all on.....

well heres A basic ww2 pic, with the leather jerkin on, pattern 37' webbing [mostly 42' 43' dated], 1907 bayonet...fixed to a Number 1 Mark 3 Short Magazine Lee Enfield [SMLE] .303 rifle....standard British style battle bowler helmet..date 194?.[this helmet isnt one of mine, I forgot it the day of the photo, taken by Co. D.Gunson].

if people like I can take some pics, front and back, with/without greatcoat, other shit etc.. also if anybody has a entrenching tool handle that they dont want, I need one as the one I have is not army issue.
Is this for re-enactment or airsoft, as I'm quite interested in WW2 history. Trademe occaisionally turn up entrenching tools and the like but whether or not thet are broad arrow marked or even the right year is different. I know that my local army surplus store has entrenching tools but think they could be Viet-nam issue, could check tomorrow if you like?

[Darkwar]

Is this for re-enactment or airsoft, as I'm quite interested in WW2 history. Trademe occaisionally turn up entrenching tools and the like but whether or not thet are broad arrow marked or even the right year is different. I know that my local army surplus store has entrenching tools but think they could be Viet-nam issue, could check tomorrow if you like?

cool well its more for my collection the tool is, but still handy for both airsoft and reancting. I have already a 1915 [I think could be 1918?] entreanching tool, that came with a Canadian made [ww2] cover [same as brit, but with a more stripeyer coloured weave of canvas, the handle is about a foot or so long and about inch in diamiter with a steel lug on one end to fit to the tool [same entreanching tools used ww1 and ww2 though ww2 pouches have loops for the handle where ww1's handles sat with the bayonet] some handles came out with a bayonet lug to attach the Number 4 rifle's bayonet [the short spike] to the handle for such tasks as mine proding.

[nighthawk]

do you have a WW2 airsoft loadout?

[Darkwar]

do you have a WW2 airsoft loadout?

I had a Fallschirmjager airsoft loadout, now all thats left is my K98 [tanaka] and my P38 and hardshell holster [maruzen] the rest is sold, and am getting a MP40 at some point to use as a captured weapon for my kiwi kit and Russian kit when I gets it....

And for them moaners saying not enough photos, how many of you fuckers actullay have pretty much full impression kits to post here? proberly hadly fuck all!:eek:

[ramborob17]

nice photos Chaos the only questions I have are how did a meer Fusilier get an Iron Cross lol what sort of heroic action was displayed? Also you have half a belt of k98 ammo pouch and another half of mp40.

Love the MG42 though. Is it a replica or an airsoft conversion? Great impression though

[wege]

in the early days of the war, I think blowing up a tank single-handedly was enough to get that.. certainly 2nd class at least.

[Chaos]

nice photos Chaos the only questions I have are how did a meer Fusilier get an Iron Cross lol what sort of heroic action was displayed? Also you have half a belt of k98 ammo pouch and another half of mp40.

Love the MG42 though. Is it a replica or an airsoft conversion? Great impression though

I'm still learning and probably wouldn't wear the iron cross out as i've been told i need to up the rank as well, i have a full set of k98 pouches and MP40 pouches, more of an airsoft setup than something reenactors would wear, it was more i was trying gear on when i took the photos, i'm still short and MG pouch (next on the list) its a shoei MG42 with no internals but i hope to have that sorted sometime soon, not many guys in auckland do WWII airsoft so for the time being i'm going it alone and learning from books and the net.

[wege]

In order to receive the Iron Cross 1st Class Heer and Waffen SS men would have to perform three to four further acts of courage from the one that earned him the 2nd Class. It was regularly awarded to U-boat Commander upon sinking 50,000 tons and to Lufftwaffe pilots when they achieved six or seven confirmed kills. Of course these were only guidelines, and a single act of great importance or a long steady career could earn that person the Cross.
http://www.angelfire.com/nj/ww2/icipics.html

for EK2nd
Award Criteria

The official criteria for the award was a single act of bravery in the face of the enemy, or actions that were clearly above and beyond the call of duty.

Heer and SS personnel would receive the Cross for a successful action in which the soldier distinguished himself. For example, Platoon commander SS Obersturmfuhrer Eric Brorup of the 5th SS Panzer Division was decorated on December 1, 1942 for leading a reconnaissance forest raid in the Eastern front during which a fire fight ensued. His platoon inflicted enemy casualties and brought back six prisoners, two of them NCOs. It was not uncommon for an entire unit to receive the Iron Cross 2nd Class. The entire crew of U-29 was decorated on September 18th in recognition of their sinking of the 22,500 aircraft carrier HMS Courageous on the previous day.
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/iron_cross/2nd_1st_class/2nd_class/ironcross_2.htm

http://www.2worldwar2.com/knights-cross.htm

[ramborob17]

the thing I like about the Germans is that they were very smart. Awards were not handed out easily as ours were at the time. Also rank was a very hard thing to accomplish as well. An average soldier in the German army could expect to retire with the rank of what is our equivalent of a Corporal.

[Darkwar]

nice gears Chaos, I take it your set for late 1942 to mid 43'? and as for awards seems the Kiwis had to have a British Officer witness the act and to recomend that soldier, well for VC anyway as I understand it, and I was once told that they also had to purchase their own awarded medals but I'm not to sure on that...

[weka]

the thing I like about the Germans is that they were very smart. Awards were not handed out easily as ours were at the time. Also rank was a very hard thing to accomplish as well. An average soldier in the German army could expect to retire with the rank of what is our equivalent of a Corporal.

True but German NCO's can end up comanding larger formations than their allied equalivent. Iron crosses were given out like candy as were fancy division names at the closing stages of the war to improve moral.

[Dorian]

Use this thread to discuss impressions posted in the impressions photo thread.

Please keep it on topic

[Kronos]

Hey brawler! would you like fries with that?

[Brawler]

no, would YOU like frys with that!

[Kronos]

of course, you got a big mac in that harness?

[Darkwar]

see I said Mc'D's was a military run operation! now wheres your gerkin grenades?

[Jazz]

Hey Ramborob17...in your GI impression shouldn't you be wearing roughouts and leggings?

I do a 325th GIR impression, and I'd kill to be able to wear jump boots :P

[ADLER]

Just back on the Iron Cross thing. I was just watching original war footage stuff, you know the WWII in colour etc, plus some other doco's & there was a Private getting the Knights Cross, so really, as with all things during the panamonic time, there is the general rule, & then there are the exceptions.

I have too many uniforms to post pics, but needless to say I can do just about any SS cam, plus 3 fallshirm outfits, 5 WH uniforms, & all the German guns. I have more boots than my wife, & I need a wardrobe just for the hats now :D

[Reaper]

Lol Adler! Chaos your kit looks mint! The kind of thing I aspire to myself, Its good to see theres a bit of interest in the ww2 uniforms and weapons, its my favourite time period. It would be great if one day there was enough people to do an all ww2 kit battle, that would be mint! Do you think that could almost be a new post topic?

[Darkwar]

unfortuniatly there are not enough allied weapons other than yanks!

[Reaper]

Yeah thats true from what i've seen, maybe thats an untapped market for the makers of airsoft weaponry. I guess for the cost, they make the most popular weapons from the period.

[Darkwar]

and the fact that people dont want to be the British/Commonwealth, they think WW2...Jerries and Yanks...in WW2 reanacting I have pretty much a full Kiwi kit[though is up for sale] and did think about doing Russian Radvedchiki [scout] with captured German ankle boots, German Heer belt and MP40 with pouches, along with the scout blotch camo, though I still may do this just to have an MP40, but at this time am wanting when money is there to finish my Bundeswehr kit, and sort gears for 15th century Longswording, so I'm sorta heading out of ww2, as it is I could almost be a time traveling hobbiest, though you get that when your really into the bloody bits of history...:D

[Stretch]

Darkwar a russian scout would never wear a Captured belt for obvious reasons, wear a russian belt or get a crappy german one and deface it so there is no german stuff visible.

[Darkwar]

Darkwar a russian scout would never wear a Captured belt for obvious reasons, wear a russian belt or get a crappy german one and deface it so there is no german stuff visible.
well the historic photos I have seen from ww2 say different..yes there is the obvious reasons but being scouts they were usally top rated troops and got away with certain things..

[ADLER]

It was a "trophy" thing, & there where also rites of initiation where you had to go knife yourself one & liberate it before you where accepted into some of the more elite squads.

Certainly lots of pictures of Germans using captured Russina belts. Particulary amongst field grade officers. The darker Russian brown was prefered over the German lighter tan brown for officers.


I regulary have arguments with re-enactors on just this topic. They seem to think soldiers came out all cookie cut, looking exactly the same. Then went into battle after parade in the morning or something.

About the only truly regulated part of the army was the quatermasters vicious adhearence to the issue of replacement property. There are hundreds of stories of Soliders not even being re-issued steel helmets as they had had there replacement one for the year already. The fact is they may march out of the barracks looking all the same, but by the third week on the front, they are deshivelled collection of mismatched gear & equipment. Thats why you see all those dead in war pictures without their shoes etc.

It was a pretty keen frontline officer that would put a much need soldier on report for wearing a captured belt. He needed the men, & the cadre de espirt that came with encouraging brave acts.

[Dorian]

I have to say theyre right stretch, have seen images of Russkis using german gears and vice versa. the eastern front was a mess and they seemed to get away with alot that the Commissars wouldnt like

[Illicit]

weka those pics aren't working... upload them to imageshack.com or photobucket. really keen to see that Vostok impression.

[Kronos]

weka those pics aren't working... upload them to imageshack.com or photobucket. really keen to see that Vostok impression.

*edit*
They were working fine for me :o

Dont seem to be now though

[Illicit]

damn this shithouse uni server.... :(

[weka]

How about now?

[Brawler]

They are working, and always were :P Nice pics man :D

[Illicit]

Very very cool impression Weka :D great pic referencing and the kit is right on :D. Interesting history with Vostok too.

Thanks for changing those pics around man :)

[Ski]

Love the MG42 pic Chaos very impressive.
Jono WTF with the ZZ Top look buddy? Almost didn't recognise you. Guess you are Bubba formerly known as Wege!! Like the MC kit tho (spoken as a new found lover of MC).

[THEcake]

ski thats sum sik kit bro!!! very jealous indeed! and my god....the one with u in the brit 2 tone....u look like Ross Kemp! haha (thats a complement btw)

[R3CON]

Looking good Bane. :)

[EightBall]

Thumbs Up Bane.. reminds me of a "thin red line" promo shot..

[Bane]

Thanks, was a totally unposed shot too, thumbs up to Bartonator for the epic photography during yesterday's game :P

[THEcake]

shot bro! looking good! look forward to seeing it in person in hopfully the not too distant future

[Jazz]

Dammit Bane, if you make if look any better, I'm taking it all back!

[Ski]

I was going to say that I like the kit Bugman (always like to see berets on the field) but the sunnies and the radio don't quite do it for me?

Didn't see many of those at Arnhem.......:p and a thompson? I thought you had a sten?

[bugman]

I was going to say that I like the kit Bugman (always like to see berets on the field) but the sunnies and the radio don't quite do it for me?

Didn't see many of those at Arnhem.......:p and a thompson? I thought you had a sten?

They not sunnies but mesh goggles, and fair call on the radio and my sten is running hot atm

[Bane]

also alot of brit paras used thompsons

[Ski]

Personally for the look I would use transparent eye protection it would give a better look than those in my humble opinion of course....

A great look oh and what boots do you have? Are they orig boots?

Also I stand corrected.

From Wikipedia....

The Sten emerged while Britain was engaged in the Battle of Britain (http://www.asnz.co.nz/wiki/Battle_of_Britain), facing invasion by Germany. The army was forced to replace weapons lost during the evacuation from Dunkirk (http://www.asnz.co.nz/wiki/Battle_of_Dunkirk) while expanding at the same time. Prior to 1941 (http://www.asnz.co.nz/wiki/1941) (and even later) the British were purchasing all the Thompson submachine guns (http://www.asnz.co.nz/wiki/Thompson_submachine_gun) they could from the United States (http://www.asnz.co.nz/wiki/United_States), but these did not begin to meet demand. The American entry into the war at the end of 1941 placed an even bigger demand on the facilities making Thompsons. In order to rapidly equip a sufficient fighting force to counter the Axis threat, the Royal Small Arms Factory (http://www.asnz.co.nz/wiki/Royal_Small_Arms_Factory), Enfield (http://www.asnz.co.nz/wiki/London_Borough_of_Enfield), was commissioned to produce an alternative.

Never knew that....learn something every day.......

[THEcake]

Personally for the look I would use transparent eye protection it would give a better look than those in my humble opinion of course....

A great look oh and what boots do you have? Are they orig boots?

Also I stand corrected.

From Wikipedia....

The Sten emerged while Britain was engaged in the Battle of Britain (http://www.asnz.co.nz/wiki/Battle_of_Britain), facing invasion by Germany. The army was forced to replace weapons lost during the evacuation from Dunkirk (http://www.asnz.co.nz/wiki/Battle_of_Dunkirk) while expanding at the same time. Prior to 1941 (http://www.asnz.co.nz/wiki/1941) (and even later) the British were purchasing all the Thompson submachine guns (http://www.asnz.co.nz/wiki/Thompson_submachine_gun) they could from the United States (http://www.asnz.co.nz/wiki/United_States), but these did not begin to meet demand. The American entry into the war at the end of 1941 placed an even bigger demand on the facilities making Thompsons. In order to rapidly equip a sufficient fighting force to counter the Axis threat, the Royal Small Arms Factory (http://www.asnz.co.nz/wiki/Royal_Small_Arms_Factory), Enfield (http://www.asnz.co.nz/wiki/London_Borough_of_Enfield), was commissioned to produce an alternative.

Never knew that....learn something every day.......




u try wearing old school woolen shit on even a mild day and i wish u the best of luck that ur goggles wont fog up.....trust me :D

i agree with u on the clears otherwise...sides the fogging thing

as for the thompson ...yup they wer used quite a fair bit for the poms and they wer never usually one version :p eg 1928 front m1 back...

the thompson will have to do until both buggers and i get our stens "roadworthy" and although the brits did use the thompson i dont think they wer used much at all by the paras......it was more of a commandos choice the tommy :rolleyes:

[cptdarling506]

Brit Para's also used the STEN with pistol grips(MkV) and it had a bayonet fitting!(for the spike bayonet which also fitted the No4 rifle) particulary for the D-Day invasion of France(which was really only won by the US airbourne forces who like pwned all of the Germans,the Canadian's,Brits and the free French haven't had a TV series made about them so they couldn't have done much[yeah right])
Brit Para's also used M1A1 carbines.

[weka]

Makes more sense for the paras to have stens, for borrowing ammo from jerry. I've only seen photos of stens in use by the paras from memory. I'm sure the answer will be in the Osprey book on the paras but I don't have a copy.

Who's going to be the first player with a fold up bike?

[bugman]

Brit Para's used the STEN with pistol grips(MkV) and it had a bayonet fitting!(for the spike bayonet which also fitted the No4 rifle)

Not all paras used the MK5 sten.They were only issued in 1944.The main sten was the MK2

[Ash]

Makes more sense for the paras to have stens, for borrowing ammo from jerry.
Compatibility with German ammo was indeed a consideration in the STEN concept. It especially made sense when it came to supplying insurgents in occupied Europe, which is interesting because large scale covert operations within Europe like the Jedburghs were supplied with Colt 1911s and either M1/M1A1 carbines or Thompsons, the STENS were all for the local fighters.

Who's going to be the first player with a fold up bike?

Ah! Ramborob has one, I really want him to bring it to a game, I'm so keen to try and driveby some Germans on a folding bicycle. :D

[rvp69]

Dwayne you could do with a fold up bike :P hahaha

[THEcake]

i need to work on my canaidian accent before i get a fold out bike also a filed worthy of using one:P

[cptdarling506]

More STEN trivia, the magazines were designed to be just a bit bigger than the MP40 mags so that the Jerries couldn't use STEN mags in their MP40's(38's,41's etc)but the STEN could use MP40 mags.

[Chaos]

And New Zealand Rail used to make Sten guns, rumour is at the end of the war they dug a big hole and dumped several thousand Sten guns in it, all brand new, covered in cosmoline and wrapped in paper so chances are they will be in full working order.

[THEcake]

And New Zealand Rail used to make Sten guns, rumour is at the end of the war they dug a big hole and dumped several thousand Sten guns in it, all brand new, covered in cosmoline and wrapped in paper so chances are they will be in full working order.

find them chris...find them!!!!

[cptdarling506]

And New Zealand Rail used to make Sten guns, rumour is at the end of the war they dug a big hole and dumped several thousand Sten guns in it, all brand new, covered in cosmoline and wrapped in paper so chances are they will be in full working order.

Nice rumour but the STEN was still an issue item during the 50's and all NZ'd made STENs ended up at Waiouru stores.NZ'd made STENS fetch a rather high price on the collectors market,a few did escape destruction.My late Father was an armourer from the late 50's to mid 80's and one of his tales was how he helped strip STENS, Brens,etc for use as reinforcement in the concrete foundations of buildings being built at various army camps.It was a vivid memory as he and others had to clean with petrol all the parts befroe wheel barrowing them over to the site and then watch as a 'dozer ran all the bits into the ground.

[Ash]

Damn there goes the coolest treasure hunt ever! :(

[rogue trooper]

I've heard alsorts of rumours about caches buried after WWII including weapons, sherman tanks, jeeps and trucks buried up in the hills around Trentham.

They did find a ammo dump at QE2 park where the yanks we stationed during WWII while doing work to the highway that no one knew was there, that had grenades, bullets, mortar shells etc

[wege]

Nice rumour but the STEN was still an issue item during the 50's and all NZ'd made STENs ended up at Waiouru stores.NZ'd made STENS fetch a rather high price on the collectors market,a few did escape destruction.My late Father was an armourer from the late 50's to mid 80's and one of his tales was how he helped strip STENS, Brens,etc for use as reinforcement in the concrete foundations of buildings being built at various army camps.It was a vivid memory as he and others had to clean with petrol all the parts befroe wheel barrowing them over to the site and then watch as a 'dozer ran all the bits into the ground.

ok. .I will have to check up on this story - my father was an engineer based there.

[ObsoleteAcey]

Nice rumour but the STEN was still an issue item during the 50's and all NZ'd made STENs ended up at Waiouru stores.NZ'd made STENS fetch a rather high price on the collectors market,a few did escape destruction.My late Father was an armourer from the late 50's to mid 80's and one of his tales was how he helped strip STENS, Brens,etc for use as reinforcement in the concrete foundations of buildings being built at various army camps.It was a vivid memory as he and others had to clean with petrol all the parts befroe wheel barrowing them over to the site and then watch as a 'dozer ran all the bits into the ground.

Don't slouch Darling!

[THEcake]

lol noice going on the hairdoo chopper!!! 10/10!

[wege]

OK.. is it me or has the Impressions thread been hacked and slashed?

[Chaos]

No the impression thread isn't used much, you probably think it is the photos thread

[wege]

aha! of course.. :D Thanks Chris...

[Scubbo]

No.4? airsoft rifle :O NICE so want one of those

[panzers21]

Sure is a No.4 rifle but not airsoft sadly, is in excellent condition love it, will end up making a M1893/30 rifle later on though.

[sheed]

Loving the WW2 brit kits that you guys are showing up with at the moment. Really makes my wish I had the money to do the FJ kit I dream of having one day.

[bugman]

Nice Dan love the commando look,may have to start on another loadout ,really looks the part.Now get your ass to an ASA game

[peabo]

very nice bro,That thompson looks like its giving you a nice kick in the shoulder :D

[Ash]

Cheers, guys! Haven't actually used this kit at a game in ages, so it was actually really fun setting up the webbing after so long. Looking forward to using it again.

Nice Dan love the commando look,may have to start on another loadout ,really looks the part.Now get your ass to an ASA game

Best thing about it, you only need to change the beret from your 6th Airborne loadout and it's done, just from changing headgear. :D Oh and I've changed my mind about '37 webbing: it really does look better when its blanco'd.

[THEcake]

you always outshine me ash u basterd! haha looking good!

[Ash]

It's the tailored BD thaty does it heh. :p

But seriously, your kit is looking pretty well set up at the moment.

[Collins]

Awesome Liam and pretty much identical to the reference photo :D

[Scubbo]

thanks Collins! was a fun day, that guy takes some pro photos in the middle of battle, love how the field looks so eastern bloc'y too

[Collins]

thanks Collins! was a fun day, that guy takes some pro photos in the middle of battle, love how the field looks so eastern bloc'y too

True mate but I hate how he got none of me that day :D i was to stealth;)

[weka]

Looking good Scubbo, classic MVD/ vitaz type look. The guys you based your look on are a great ref for current loads at least one of those guys has been killed by Islamists. Was debating getting a sumarak suit this summer for a change from the partizan suit.

Which GP30 are you using?

[Scubbo]

yeah the support gunner with the cool bandana died a while ago ;\ --- i'm using the KA gp30, strong when its on and its QD so after I've fired off the shell I just put it into a pocket for the rest of the trip since it weighs a bit / makes the barrel a lot harder to keep on the horizon --- I'd be keen to see the sposn sumrak, they look good and berezka/klmk computer pat is retro awesome!

[Dreamer]

Yeah, it makes it front heavy alittle, I might be selling my KA Gp30 and two shells sooner or later to fund more russian kit haha.

[Collins]

Delta replace those world shoes with some Adidas and Candy is ready to go :D

[cuppa]

lmao where can i get a hair peace like that

[Delta Six Six]

lmao where can i get a hair peace like that

Ohhh, you think that's a hairpiece do you.....;)

[Falcon]

Ohhh, you think that's a hairpiece do you.....;)

Man you guys crack me up. :p