entry level gun

[warscars]

Just got back about 3/4 of an hour was heaps of fun and have decided to continue it as a sport. what would be a good begginer level gun you know what i mean easy to handle doesent jam all the time and is easy to unjam all that sort of thing. and remember I'm only twelve so don't say somthing to big or expensive because I will be paying for it but my dad will buy it own it and watch me will I use it of the field you know what I mean

[Kronos]

What gear did you get to use today?

[cuppa]

a gas blow back pistol might be a good place to start jfj has a good deal on

would be cheapish plus striping them down and cleaning them is a good why to learn more about them

plus it would make u be a little more sneaky cus they dont have the range of a normal gun plus if u find later it not realy something u would like to carry on with you or ya dad hasnt had to pay so much for it

my 2 cents worth

[ADLER]

What gear did you get to use today?

He had a blat with a G&G AK47(104), a JG G36, a TM Sig P228

[wege]

TM SIG226 then?
KJW Does a 228/229 as does Tanaka

[ph03n1x]

He had a blat with a G&G AK47(104), a JG G36, a TM Sig P228

Those JG G36's are pretty reliable aren't they, with a V3 gearbox?

[Kronos]

As im sure most of us here on the forums are going to say. If you like the Sig P228 then perhaps that should be your first gun. GBB is the best way to go for beginners. May want to wait a wee bit longer though, as you may get to try a glock or beretta etc, and like it more. You want something that you like the feel of, and you wont know whats best untill you have had a play around with more then the 1 gun.

[warscars]

I like the idea of a pistol also it won't be to expensive either but I would get absolutly wasted in a game wouldent I and I would have to leaving the game to reload or maybe I could carry extra magazines but where could I get them from

[Kronos]

You get extra mags when you get your gun, or from the same place a bit later on. Perhaps you would get wasted at the start, but you learn from that what you have done wrong/what they have done better, and change your gameplay to make it more even, or get the upper hand.

[Omega]

Firstly, welcome warscars good to see that younger players (much like myself) are finally joining this sport.

My first weapon has been a TM P226, simply because it is a very reliable and clean gun. It is easy to take-down and clean and is very nice gun in all.

I too am underage, however I have spent lots of time now getting to know the 'veterans' of my club and they are warming up to the idea of having responsible younger members joining.

You should think about your budget very carefully, but don't go out buying a cheapy that will break in a couple of months. Talk to these guys on the forums, they know what they are on about, but my 2 cents is that make sure you pick something that isn't hugely expensive, but something that will last and be reliable.

Cheers,
Omega.

[warscars]

actually I am having trouble trying to find some where that I can buy guns from at all
where do most of you people get your guns from I know that you can get them on the internet but what websites
to buy them off where is somewhere I can buy a gun that wont rip me of and please don't say trade me there are some good deals but nothing I particularly like

[Kronos]

Talk to the club armourers Adler has put in place for the club. They will help you and make it alot easier.

[Zero]

actually I am having trouble trying to find some where that I can buy guns from at all
where do most of you people get your guns from I know that you can get them on the internet but what websites
to buy them off where is somewhere I can buy a gun that wont rip me of and please don't say trade me there are some good deals but nothing I particularly like


You could try Battlesoft and see what deal he can do you. :)

http://www.battlesoft.co.nz/shop/

He is in Christchurch.

[warscars]

I saw this on trade me it is one of the guns I tried today and it is with in my price range to as well as it seeming like a decent gun could one of you guys check it out and see if it is a good buy?:confused:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=192882235
or would this be a better deal
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Hunting-shooting/Air-guns/BB-guns/auction-193133054.htm
and no pho3n1x I don't mind cocking it for every shot

[ph03n1x]

It's only a springer sorry, so unless you like the thought of cocking it for each and every shot, you'd be better off with a Gas pistol, or AEG. They may cost a bit more, but will be more satisfying.

I've seen your edit warscars :)
I started playing around with one of these (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Hunting-shooting/Air-guns/BB-guns/auction-192965778.htm) and it was OK, but after going to a club game and being let loose with a gas pistol and an M4 SEG, I ended up realising an AEG was what I had really been wanting in the first place lol. I have to admit that the AK47 does look very pretty in that picture, and it does have hop-up (probably fixed though). With a springer, you don't really get to keep a sight in target between shots, or spam to ensure you get the kill :)

[mauser]

that gun is a springer you would have most likely used a SEG today

[Darkwar]

mp5 everyone wants a mp5! untill they have to fix one half a hundred times! well a jg one anyway! I reckon get as good as you can get for as cheap as you can get and learn from that..and yea a gas pistol is a good start, still will set you back $100-350, as you'll want a semi decint one and a spare mag or two and then you will need a propane adaptor to if you wish to use propane, and a holster at a later stage as carrying spare mags and or pistol in your pocket can be a sure way to lose stuff! and it drags your pants down!:D
as another note if you have a particular look in mind for gears ie: a us marine or kiwi soldier or what have you, you could try to acquire the weapons that fit with the look, takes research and asking about, but is a good way to learn more on history and units, present day armies etc..

[warscars]

I know that it is a spinger and that I used segs its just you know I'm twelve so I don't have alot of money to spend

[ph03n1x]

Does the club you go to have hire guns? Could be an alternative, so you can use a gun you like at a reasonable cost, without the huge outlay at this point in time. Also would give you a chance to get more experience with different guns, and gather more advice before you decide on getting your own when you've had a chance to save up perhaps.

[Adrian]

I think one of these is pretty much the cheapest SEG you can get that could be used in games. can be gotten for under 200.

http://www.rsov.com/index.php?target=products&product_id=1504

[Amoki]

Before or after investing a decent amount of upgrade to make it fire Adrian?

[nokhookk]

i have that galaxy mp5k . im not sure its good for a starter as it have too much problems .

[ObsoleteAcey]

there is only one problem with the galaxy MP5K and that's the fact it does 360fps out of the box.

[JC Ohope]

I like guncity's claim of up to 350 fps out of the box from a marui springer....

Would be halarious too see how their .12's would also fulfil their accuracy claims then :p

[nokhookk]

i dunno . but i had heaps of problem with my mp5k since i bought it last 2 months . its just doesnt feel right .

[Foobin]

Hey dude, i have sent you a pm to you, read that.

Also, one other thing i forgot to say is to stay away from the Galaxy guns, yes they are cheap, but you get for what you pay for. JG while cheap are the only Chinese made guns which are good value for money.

[wege]

and what about dboys aks?
or classic army?

[nokhookk]

ive got a dboys ak , they are very good . with metal and real wood stock . really good for the money .

[Foobin]

classy army doesnt come under the category of cheap, i forgot about dboys guns, never used one myself.

[nokhookk]

dboys make a very good gun at an affordable price .. marui LOL ...They are really expensive but really reliable .

[ObsoleteAcey]

kalash/deboys aren't a good starter gun as you need to know your way around them to change the hop rubber, which is total crap as supplied. You also need to be aware of your clubs FPS limits as some of the chinese guns can run pretty hot. at leats one of the AKS74's we got was doing 410 out of the box

[Brawler]

I think one of these is pretty much the cheapest SEG you can get that could be used in games. can be gotten for under 200.

http://www.rsov.com/index.php?target=products&product_id=1504

$250 on trademe too.


a gas pistol IS a good start as it will teach you more tactics and now to be a bit more sneaky. i played with a GBB for more than a year and i was able to work out a few things

[Kronos]

Perhaps a year wasnt long enough for brawler, he's a bit of a spam bot.

[Darkwar]

Perhaps a year wasnt long enough for brawler, he's a bit of a spam bot.
its cause hes a fighting machine with a thousand magazines that quick changes within trigger pull..

[ADLER]

With 2 'jugend' out on Sunday, I might look at a 'lend-lease' arangement, where the club 'owns' the guns, & folk like yourself can lease them. This will fulfill the requirements of the law. Wont require a big outlay for lads starting out, plus you can have the use of the gun for a fee that hopefully wont break the bank. The club will make a few dollars over time, & the gun can be maintained by the club.

For other clubs pondering younger members...
15-18 year olds are just like normal players really, & dont need any special attention above & beyond the induction for any adult player.
8-14, dont seem to be sharp on the situational awaresness in battle, so do need to 'handled'. This may imporve with time, so simpler games work best, or use the buddy system. Aside from that they are small & fast & certainly give it there all.

They definately need to wear full face protection, as they do the meerkat thing all the time.

The other lad we had out, did have a cry when he got shot a few times relatively close. ( a certain MP40 user will be getting a chat when he comes home :rolleyes:) It was nothing mum coundnt fix with hug & a rub & he was back on the field within 5 mins & running in the thick of it again. He did interupt the briefings a few times, but I think he got the hint when I told him to fuck up :p Realistically, unless you get a pretty mature <14 lad like warscar here you will need the parents to be present or playing.

I still think it is worth the effort. I have a new friend in Peter, & I get to relive the wonder & excitment that is airsoft as a kid all over again as you run along side them. I dont know if I would have the abilty to cope with legions of lads, I wouldnt actively recruit them, but if they had a genuine interest, I think we should do what we can to train them up into the future presidents of ASNZ for 2030.

[Moose]

YAY! I am not trying to tempt the "older folk" by sticking my head out of my hole, but YAY AGAIN! Minors FTW! If you guys actually keep encouraging people (yes, minors are people too, just little people) can you imagine the size of New Zealand Airsoft in 20+ years?
And with all the crazy new fangled ideas that keep coming up, who knows what could happen *whisper whisper A-EG's becoming legal? whisper whisper*

[DUKE]

a starter gun needs to do the folowing
work when you take it out of the box
work when you get to the game
work when you have been playing an hour
work when you have fired 800 rounds after 2 hours
work when you finish the day
work when you bring it out to show mates
work when you go to the next game
work all day everyday fireing more than 300fps
work when you are in a bush...........so it needs to be short
work when the masses attack ...........so a high cap mag
people buy hotrods to spend time building them
people buy toyotas to get from A to B

entry level gun? JG G36c

[Sandman]

um, why does it need over 300fps for an entry gun? Just wondering really

[Amoki]

My Recommendations for entry level guns:

Version 2 mechbox (M4, M16, HK416, G3s etc.):
Recommended:
G&P
G&G Plastica/Combat Machine series
JG

Avoid
Dboys - crap internal, risk of non-complaince at Customs is high. Unless their workmanship has improved ddrastically.
1st gen SRC M4s. SRC M4s has improved over different generation but overall assess and buy on a case by case basis.

Require work
A&K
JG if you get a lemon
BE

Version 3 gearbox (G36, UMP, AK)
Recommended:
CYMA
Kalash

Require a lot of work:
BE
Galaxy
CYMA and Kalash if you get a lemon

Version 6
-P90
No worthy reproduction. There isn't a lot of after market parts for version 6 gearboxes too.

-L85
Army, but require some work done to it to increase reliability


Version 7 gearbox
Recommended:
CYMA

Require work
CYMA if you get a lemon
KART/AGM generally have a high rate of lemons


May have missed some type.




Ultimate starter gun - get these if you don't want to worry about them right from the start:
- JG G36C

Good starter guns (require some work done to it but will not cost you a lot of money)
- Kalash/CYMA AKs
- JG M4s/HK416s
- CYMA M14/SOC16s

How much would they cost- depends on who and how you get them.

One last note: if you plan on seriously entering the sport and not just be a backyard plinker, come to games and don't buy them until you are sure you really want it. Reasons being
1) Different guns have different ergonomics. For Armalite variants and SCARs you can change the grip to make them feel nice (hoozah for Colts!), but for most guns ergonomics can't be changed.
2) As this post implies, any gun you want you can make it work reliably, just a question of how much needed to make them work.
3) Getting what you want right from the start will save you $$$ and avoid reselling headaches. Also once you get a gun, you have to consider battery and getting extra magazines.
4) Getting the so-called "entry level guns" may be a headache somet times due to poor Chinese QC. Once you play a few games, you may decide to jump straight to the top-tier stuff (Real Sword, G&G, ICS, CA, TM, STAR, KA) which can easily cost above NZ$500 with the NZ$ so low these days.

[JoJo The Magnifficent]

I think one of these is pretty much the cheapest SEG you can get that could be used in games. can be gotten for under 200.

http://www.rsov.com/index.php?target=products&product_id=1504

got one of these myself and it makes for an alright gun. huge thread full of praise for them on airsoft retreat (although everyone imediatly upgrades theres it seems, giving a slightly skewed view of quality). I would VERY highly reccomend getting it with a good battery (custom elite 1500mah from www.cheapbatterypacks.com (http://www.cheapbatterypacks.com) seems to be the best you can get thatll fit easily) as it will probly lock up every 5 secs with the standard one. Faster motor might help too.

mp5K's are sweet for CQB though, love the way mine handles on a single point sling, and you can even use it like a pistol :D

[warscars]

after xmas presents from relatives which are usually money then it will amount to about 320$ in cash I think this will be enough to buy my stuff as in gun, mask a good stash of ammo, but will probably need a bit more money to buy camo where is a good place to buy camo

[Amoki]

after xmas presents from relatives which are usually money then it will amount to about 320$ in cash I think this will be enough to buy my stuff as in gun, mask a good stash of ammo, but will probably need a bit more money to buy camo where is a good place to buy camo

$320 barely covers the gun unless you are going springer - and you haven't factor in battery, charger, magazines and ammo, or a backup pistol.

Safety glasses/ mil-spec interchangeable ballistic glasses/goggles and mesh masks also opens up a whole can of worms. Camo too.

If you are tight on budget, best way to go is to join up with a club and discuss your budget with someone who has been playing airsoft long enough to give you a hand.

Club loaner guns can usually be had for NZ$10-20 a day in most clubs too -you don't have to own your own gun to have a good time. Half of airsoft is about looking the part and owning the right gear. The other half is about owning those that are not in your same team :).

[Kronos]

kiwi disposals, you have 1 in chch.

[warscars]

the reason the gun will be able to be bought with 320is because I had an offer of a G36c for 250$ masks are only about 35$ bucks which leaves me with masses of cash let for ammo

[Omega]

What brand G36C?

[Kronos]

the reason the gun will be able to be bought with 320is because I had an offer of a G36c for 250$ masks are only about 35$ bucks which leaves me with masses of cash let for ammo


If this happens to be on a site im sure alot of us would be greatful to check over the deal? If you are kind enough to link it.

[Foobin]

Kiwi disposals are usually rather expensive, however sometimes have good deals on. I think there are a few guys on trademe who are selling camo clothing for a pretty average price.

[warscars]

rokfire wants to sell me his but there is no charger for the battery where could I buy a charger for this gun rok fire
oh by the way the mask for sale is the exact same ones we have at the club
searching through trademe a while ago and found this it is an m16 no idea what make brand new with a version two gear box charger and 300 round magazine it is going for about two hundred dollars could you guys have a look for me http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Hunting-shooting/Air-guns/BB-guns/auction-193179267.htm

[wege]

there are better looking ones out there.
Even on gunners they say "This is M16A3 with A1 handguard" as the image shows. :)

Hmm. Mr Lyons eh.

[Scubbo]

G&P make real nice A1 / VN bits, and WGC have built a VN from the bits at a very nice price - http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper.php?itm=WGC-AEG-M16VN_cat_WGC%20Custom%20AEGs

[rokfire]

you can get chargers from rc cars and that m16 is a Chinese made rifle

[peace_keeper1517]

if you want a single shot this might be a good site it also has AEGs

http://www.wgcshop.com/

[DeathRiderDoom]

Hi Guys, yet another NEWB, thought id post in this thread rather than starting yet ANOTHER thread asking the same BS questions you guys get sick of, no doubt.

anyways, been browsing through the site for a couple weeks and and DEAD keen to get into the scene. been doing a bit of research about gear and AEGs etc, but this has presented more questions than answered, perhaps.:eek::confused:

anyway, guess ill just say what i'm after in a semi AEG and perhaps you may be able to help....? as a military enthusiast, im after a super-realistic replica type rifle first off. metal barrel at least, im thinknig JG, TM, CA? are those good options? ive also heard mixed things about chinese clones of other products.

second off, id rather get the highest fps rating thats practical, as i'd like something that can give the best range for my buck. do shorter guns tend to be less accurate than longer rifles, like real-life, or are the ballistics totally different?

coz im pretty keen on some type of M4 variant, but would perhaps prefer something like a TAR 21, m 14, SCAR, G36c, just for something a little less common, being a gun-nut and all. i'm sure price comes into this heavily too, as my research has shown. id like a model thats accurate in your guys opinion.

i also want something thats gonna be durable enough for match use, and not need to be upgraded, and have all kinds of money spent on replacing parts. in addition, i want a model thats going to be capable of accepting upgrades like optics, stock etc that are available from G&G etc.

also, it seems like you guys recommend speaking to club armorers about making actual purchases. is it worthwhile buying 2nd hand, or is it a safer bet to buy new? ive browsed a couple threads on this, and some overseas websites, but still would appreciate some input. i dont have a credit card so trademe or at a shop are probably the best bets, but i dont know any stores around here (Wellington). am i likely to find a decent deal on a secondhand rifle through someone in wellington affiliated with this great forum?


any help would be appreciated. im getting all the research done now. (trying to) so i can look at buying one on an informed basis in a month or so. should i start at brand, fps, aailabiltiy, accessorise-abiltiy etc, etc????


cheers

[Stretch]

If you're interested in joining WAC and coming to a meeting and games send me a PM. Reason being is we don't supply Airsoft guns to people outside of the club:)

We can help you with all your questions as above. WAC's collective knowledge will no doubt help you decide what gun to get. If you join the club our armourer can order it for you so you don't need a credit card. You will also have ample opportunity to have a look and feel of our personal guns to help your decision.

Coming to a meeting next week is your best bet so we can answer all your questions. The only issue I can see is that we don't allow new players to have high powered guns for their first few games for safety reasons. You seem very keen and are most welcome to come and have a chat :)

[DeathRiderDoom]

cheers. guess ill PM you closer to when i can come out. been keen to get into this for ages, bit havent been back in WGTN for a while? where abouts will you be firing off rounds in the near future? im kinda WIA and out-of -action atm so may not be able to do stuff for a while. what would you charge for being able to 'feel up' some rifles and squeeze a few rds off?

[DeathRiderDoom]

...but if anyone feels keen on answering/commenting on any of the above questions, that'd be great, also, thoughts on something like this for a starter????

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Hunting-shooting/Air-guns/BB-guns/auction-208906854.htm

[Amoki]

Just go to a club game first, have a play with the guns that you want before you order it dude. You'll find that ergonomics play a big role in getting what guns you buy.

MPEG vs. High end guns arguments have been beaten to death, resurrected, and beaten to death again over the years, at the end of the day it depends on how accessible are you to technical people who are good at fixing guns and patient enough to fix it for you (go go STOY :D !). That, and how much are you willing to pay for aesthethics.

Buying 2nd handed guns pretty much come down to knowing the history of the gun, as well as how "good" a deal it is (upgrades, replacement parts etc).

As for getting something a little less common, get a Masada - only 3 in New Zealand when they arrive next week, very limited sales in Hong Kong, probably not available in the US at all - that's as rare as it gets. :D Fixing it up may prove to be a real challenge though.

[Stretch]

Mate you can come to a meeting if you want, we just sit around and talk over beer. There we can help you out, even if you can't play at the moment you can still join if you turn up to a few meetings. Every Wednesday 5pm till late, PM me if you're interested for the address. There will be guns to hold and people to share advice with.

[Amoki]

Mate you can come to a meeting if you want, we just sit around and talk over beer. There we can help you out, even if you can't play at the moment you can still join if you turn up to a few meetings. Every Wednesday 5pm till late, PM me if you're interested for the address. There will be guns to hold and people to share advice with.

You evil evil man! You never invited me over for a meeting and just sit around and talk over beer! :(

I hate you Stretch :(

[DeathRiderDoom]

Mate you can come to a meeting if you want, we just sit around and talk over beer. There we can help you out, even if you can't play at the moment you can still join if you turn up to a few meetings. Every Wednesday 5pm till late, PM me if you're interested for the address. There will be guns to hold and people to share advice with.

yeah, thanks that sounds sweet aye. think ill have some spare time next wednesday. will PM shortly, and thanks again. i'm enticed, beer n guns. :rolleyes: