which spring is best

[commando]

Ok so ive looked at a few guns on tard me and noticed that some include an optional 400fps spring, would there be any advantage in using it?, or would it just put more strain on the gearbox?

[snipershot]

From what ive been told if the motor and gearbox can handle it then its worth putting in becuase it increases the range. The only downside is BBs start to get expensive. I myself am going to be putting a m120 or m130 in my MP5 to up the FPS from 350 to 400ish

[JC Ohope]

How long is a piece of string?

A higher fps spring provides more power (hence range etc.), however as a result it will put more strain on the Mechbox and unless it is designed to take that size of spring (some are, some aren't) it won't last long before stuff starts breaking.

What brand of gun(s) are you looking at, that will help in deciding whether it will cope.

[Bane]

Also where are you located

Different areas have different FPS requirements.. in auckland your fine up to 450 FPS on an assault rifle, in chch your marksman rifle will be that high max. (350 FPS on assault rifles (Correct me please if i am wrong)

[snipershot]

How long is a piece of string?

Where did this come from?

[commando]

Thanks, the adds describe the gearbox as already upgraded its a v3 type, plus the fact they supply the 400fps spring it must be able to take the xtra strain.I would like to know what is a common setup, ie what spring, bb weight do most people have as their setup, thanks

[Spitfire]

Where did this come from?

lol yeah i was just thinking that.

I think you will find even most shit mechbox's will handle 400fps fine, most of my guns are running a standard shell and are shooting 400+ all thats upgraded are bushings and gears piston, and obviously spring.

But i mean if its like a plastic gearbox then no.

[Nick]

The only downside is BBs start to get expensive.

Where did this come from?

[snipershot]

Mine is a M110 I think. And I use .25g because .2s go all over the place and are unacurate as hell.

[snipershot]

Where did this come from?
1 bag of 4000 .2g BBs= $20
1 bag of 3000 .25g= $20

The hevier the weight the less BBs you get in a bag. So if you go up to .3s then your spending twice as much to get 4000.

[commando]

Thanks, im just getting all the facts before I spend my hard earned cash on a gun, so it has to be a good one first time:)

[Spitfire]

1 bag of 4000 .2g BBs= $20
1 bag of 3000 .25g= $20

The hevier the weight the less BBs you get in a bag. So if you go up to .3s then your spending twice as much to get 4000.

Oh jesus what a difference.

Get a real gun mate and then complain about ammo costs

[Kronos]

Asking what springs people use is horrible man. It can vary soo much, and it all just depends on user preference. Higher spring = higher fps, Higher spring also = faster internal wear. BB weight is user preference too. Lighter = faster speeds, Heavy=greater accuracy

[That Dude]

Technically, all mechbox can handle any spring... the question is, how long can it handle for. 1 shot? 1000? (guess this is where JCs comment about the string comes in)

So pretty much, if I was you, I'll leave the orginal spring in it for a while, play for a bit to get some experience as you'll know that the gearbox isnt going to cause you problems. Next, save up a bit of cash then slap in the 400 fps spring so if your gun does shit itself, you the cash to repair/ buy new gun.

Remember, if you are to be playing in CQB, the 400fps spring will be useless to you unless you have a death wish.

[JC Ohope]

Where did this come from?

"Which Spring is best"

You could argue the Pro's and Con's of any spring, once you actually know a bit more about the guns you use you will realise that.

You could put any spring in a gun and technically make the gun better if that is what you wanted, Want faster Rof? downpower your spring. Want Longer range, upgrade it. And thats without even thinking about reliability related Pro's and Con's.

There is really no rule for one spring that 'is the best' and hence I used the metaphor 'How long is a piece of string' to say that, don't they teach metapor's in school these days or have you not done your homework?

[Spitfire]

don't they teach metapor's in school these days

What, not really no.

But they obviously didn't teach you how to spell metaphor either.

Grammar Nazi strikes again!

[JC Ohope]

It's midnight and I'm not checking for typo's (note I did spell it right on the line above lol :o)

[terence12]

also depends on barrel length/type,hop unit,hop rubber,air seals etc. just because you put in a 400fps spring in it doesnt mean its going to shoot at 400 fps and reliable,

[Kronos]

What, not really no.

But they obviously didn't teach you how to spell metaphor either.

Grammar Nazi strikes again!

Dude, you aint from chch!!!

And yes metaphors are taught in school, as a fairly simple unit standard that puts us halfway through passing level 1 and 2 english :)
I dont even listen or do much work and even i know this.

[Spitfire]

Dude, you aint from chch!!!

And yes metaphors are taught in school, as a fairly simple unit standard that puts us halfway through passing level 1 and 2 english :)
I dont even listen or do much work and even i know this.

But apparently you aint to good with sarcasm ;)

[snipershot]

"Which Spring is best"
I used the metaphor 'How long is a piece of string' to say that, don't they teach metapor's in school these days or have you not done your homework?

Ok. I thought you were refering to a typo commander made.

[That Dude]

"Which Spring is best"

There is really no rule for one spring that 'is the best' and hence I used the metaphor 'How long is a piece of string' to say that, don't they teach metapor's in school these days or have you not done your homework?

You used 'string' metaphor for this!? No wonder it didnt make much sense to a lot of folks. Wouldn't "No one is perfect" be a better? (probably digging a hole for myself but I dont care)

ANYWAY.... The initial question that Cammando asked was;
'should I put the 400 fps spring in or not?'

I say, since your still new, not yet. Maybe later on down the track and when you find out what these 'upgrades' are in the gun your buying.

[Stretch]

What brand is the gun? That might help ;)

You need to stop posting on every thread and replying to every post snipershot.

Edit: Hmmm
So lets see on the ANG scale-
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Step 2-Incomplete
Step 3-Complete
Step 4-29 posts on sunday? Complete!
Step 5-Annoyed Amoki whos kinda maybe important-Complete
Step 6-Started
Step 7- N/A :(
Step 8- Pending

:D

[Amoki]

From what ive been told if the motor and gearbox can handle it then its worth putting in becuase it increases the range. The only downside is BBs start to get expensive. I myself am going to be putting a m120 or m130 in my MP5 to up the FPS from 350 to 400ish

You need to learn to STFU, you are giving out faulty/useless advice. It's one thing to be inquisitive, it's another thing to blab out things you don't know. Leave the upgrading/technical part to those who know their shit eh.



In regards to upgrading, it depends on which gun, what make, and what brand. It's a fairly long, complicated topic, that the best way is to bring it to a club armourer, crack open the mechbox, and evaluate from there. Many gearboxes these days can take a M120 with a little upgrade IF they don't already come in with a M120-capaable mechbox or a complete M120 setup; others requires a top-to-bottom overhaul.

[Brawler]

i now pass the crown of "Most Irritating Poster" to snipershot well done :eek:

[terence12]

hahahahahaahah, you should of let him do it lol. but im guessing its the src guns on trademe? if so aim for the gen3 guns seriously iv heard good things from people. p.s the mechbox screws suck like shit!

[p90fan]

hahahahahaahah, you should of let him do it lol. but im guessing its the src guns on trademe? if so aim for the gen3 guns seriously iv heard good things from people. p.s the mechbox screws suck like shit!

gah beaten, the text "include an optional 400fps spring" made me instantly think of the SRC stuff (asgc.co.nz) thats recently been on TM.

[da_monkey]

depending on the gun it may be worth while upgrading hop bucking and nub first.
this will alow you to get as much range as posible for your spring i.e. my 400 fps aps2 out ranged a 500 fps aeg last time i had it out and has also been out ranged by a stock tm vsr g spec.
also before you start putting springs in take some time to get every thing sealing 100%.
a tight bore is also a good alternative way to get higher fps and accuracy.
though a crap tight bore does alot more harm than good.
in the end you have to decide what you want out of your gun accuracy,range,trigger delay,and how much you want to hirt people are all factors.

[terence12]

Mine is a M110 I think. And I use .25g because .2s go all over the place and are unacurate as hell.

dude you have 350 fps mp5? seriously get someone to look at your mp5 its seems like theres a bit of work needed on it if its un accurate with .2's, i know weges mp5 is accurate as hell and its only doing 280-300.

[Adrian]

A SP120 is the best spring.

[McArthur]

Snipershot - I'm pretty sure there's nothing wrong with your MP5. At Nationals, you complained about the inaccuracy, but watching you fire, I'm pretty sure your shots were being blown around by the wind. It's an airsoft gun - not a .22

Sorry to add to this thread - but couldn't accuracy, consistency and range be improved on with better compression in the mechbox and a decent hopup?

I always thought that was why the TM guns had good range vs power, because TM made up for low power with good quality internals and hopup?

[snipershot]

Yea. You are probably right McArthur. I intend on changing the hop up but dont really know where to start. I dont know how the hop bucking and stuff works and dont have the money to see if bane could do it. Im saving to get my FAL first but I have to wait till april.

[Bubby]

What brand is the gun? That might help ;)

You need to stop posting on every thread and replying to every post snipershot.

Edit: Hmmm
So lets see on the ANG scale-
Preliminary step-Completed
Step 1-Partially complete
Step 2-Incomplete
Step 3-Complete
Step 4-29 posts on sunday? Complete!
Step 5-Annoyed Amoki whos kinda maybe important-Complete
Step 6-Started
Step 7- N/A :(
Step 8- Pending

:D

ANG....oh.....Rofl

[snipershot]

Yes. I m sorry guys for that weekend. I was being a bit stupid. I will not be doing anything like that again. I am sorry for annoying you Amoki. I wasnt thinking straight. I didnt even think I had annoyed you. I was on some kind of sugar rush. But with out actually having lots of sugar. So again I am sorry for becoming such a prick for a few days.

[Bubby]

Yes. I m sorry guys for that weekend. I was being a bit stupid. I will not be doing anything like that again. I am sorry for annoying you Amoki. I wasnt thinking straight. I didnt even think I had annoyed you. I was on some kind of sugar rush. But with out actually having lots of sugar. So again I am sorry for becoming such a prick for a few days.

You just can't help but post can you?

[McArthur]

You just can't help but post can you?

Cut it out Bubby. He's apologising.

[Amoki]

A former ANG (or perhaps, some might ague, he never left) defending a fellow ANG, aww... how nice :D

[Bubby]

Hey McFluffy...

You of all people should know that apologising only makes matters worse.

[Squirrel]

ok so to rehash...

your spring doesnt change your accuracy...and if you dont understand what the phrase "how long is a piece of string" then perhaps you're a bit too young to be commenting here


upgrading your gun by just replacing the spring is as foolish as slapping a turbo on your normal little toyota corolla hatch...there are other, better things you can do to improve the gun ;)

also if you have an MP5 that is doing more than 350 feet per second, whats the point? how is it a fun game when some cockhead with a shitty MP5 is outranging someone with a rifle? have you lot not heard of MilSim? ;) the fuckin thing is a 9mm machine pistol...so range isnt its game, it is more of a close-up fuckfest weapon :D

if you are new to the game, stick with a stock gun for a while, get used to your distances, if you are being out-ranged by everyone, learn to get sneaky...go to NAC for a while for some intensive training, those fuckers are the sneakiest on this side of the world!


as for all the noob bashing, isnt this the noob section? where they get to post whatever and not get obliterated by everyone? wait till someone posts something retarded in the main forums before belittling them :P (see current/past ANGs Brawler, McArthur, Amoki etc)

[/stir]

[terence12]

atleast he's not sick this time, if you can't afford to get bane to look at it then search up on other forums like arnies etc theres alot of info out there you just need to look for it.

[Bane]

i wouldnt mind if people did some of the basics on their own

I'd have less work to worry about, so i could concentrate on bigger better projects :P

[nighthawk]

squirrel, too true, yeah stick to stock learn to get into the thick of it, I've only just got an "upgraded" weapon and well I perfer to use tactics, get in there, and a spring is a spring is a spring. Its not the weapon its the person pulling the trigger, thats my 2c. And as for this Noob bashing... well actually I don't think its very beneficial to anyone just shows what kinda person you are when you start running people down all the time, teling people how to post and what they should do, FFS cut it out, let people develop on their own, we will never grow this sport if we don't retain these new players
* ends stirring *

[Bubby]

well what is needed then is a FAQ section.... where most of the questions that are asked time and time again are already answered....sensibly

[Bane]

well what is needed then is a FAQ section.... where most of the questions that are asked time and time again are already answered....sensibly

No point.. from experience.. people will never read it anyway and will still ask stupid questions.

So just suffer through it. I reckon, If you dont have the patience to answer repetitive stupid questions & get shitty at new people because they are new, then dont post/look at this section. Simple.

[Bubby]

No point.. from experience.. people will never read it anyway and will still ask stupid questions.

So just suffer through it. I reckon, If you dont have the patience to answer repetitive stupid questions & get shitty at new people because they are new, then dont post/look at this section. Simple.

well that would be another way of coping with it:)

[Bane]

well that would be another way of coping with it:)

I just get tired of people constantly flaming new people for asking a question.

It happens on just about every forum i've visited to a greater or lesser extent. Like i said - if you honestly dont have the mental self-control to not post pointless insulting rhetoric, instead of seriously giving a bit of thought to a well-thought constructive answer, then go to a different godsdamned thread. I think people put too much store in post counts.

[Kronos]

I just love when us ANG's get attacked, isnt it kind of hypocritical? Most of the people that do it are boarderline or think they are ex ANG's
Or have just lost the 'N'

[Stretch]

No newbies are getting flamed for asking a question....people are flaming newbies because they are giving out incorrect information and spamming the forums. I thought the answers to Commando were quite good considering the open nature of the question.

But yes don't flame newbies unless they are annoying (spamming, posting poor info etc etc) in my opinion. Once they're stopped being annoying and apoligised you should accept that instead of just continuing the shit eh Bubby?

Talk about off topic (oops)

[Kronos]

The 'how long is a peice of string' was about the only decent answer i seen :)

[nighthawk]

You know what, to all new players reading this thread, ask away, ask questions, ask them until you get all the info, do not be afraid to state your mind and to seek answers, I don't judge people by their age or experience but on the way the treat others. That is a good way to tell the people that are worth the effort and those who's names should rhyme with the Irish dollar if you catch my drift, I can now see why some airsofters stay away from these forums

[terence12]

or use the search fucntion? maybe google it and once you are stuck then ask someone, people get mad because they have to answer about every stupid question there is 600 times when all they need to do is search, its just being really lazy tbh,

[Spitfire]

Maby its just me but the description for this forum is

Welcome to Airsoft If you are new post your questions here

Maby it should be changed to

Welcome to airsoft if you are new post your questions here and get flamed by idiots

Nobody is making you post your opinion, if you don't want to help, maby go away?

[Nick]

Lets face it guys, not all airsofters are intelligent, net savvy, or have the attention span of a pro chess player. Some people do need things spelled out for them. Its not fun, but its certainly not a crime.
There will always be someone asking questions, and there will always be people to answer those questions, wether it be you, a new guy, or even an ANG. The most we can do is make sure that the information given is correct and helpful, so the future airsoft players can enjoy the game as much as we do.

Look at Arnies. They have a newbie section because they have realised this.

Wheres the love guys?

[Spitfire]

well said bro.

[terence12]

A. he asked us if the mechbox can handle a m120 (400 fps?) we gave his answer maybe depending on what it was ( maybe SRC) since it was on trademe with free 400fps spring.
B. we answered his post question, adrian said sp120, to me there all the same brand wise,
who we flamed was snipershot who didnt know what he was talking about. and gave some stupid advice to the guy.
just google/ search before posting as you answer would be on the net somewhere.
and snipershot leave the spring and check the hop unit and barrel etc first.

[Dorian]

Mmm The talk of flaming noobs for asking questions etc etc is pointless in this case, as the guy asking questions is fine. Its the noob spamming the thread with useless, uneducated info that is the problem. By answering questions he doesnt understand, he is potentially making the situation worse for the poor new guy who doesnt realise how ignorant the spammer is.

I find it hard to get over all the talk of being ultra tolerant to be honest. I am a regular on the site Red Alliance, and on there if someone asks a question that has already been asked, then they are simply given a link to the previous thread and told to use the search function. You tend to not get alot of repeats after that, as noone wants to be told the same thing ten times. Sure, Im not saying bash the noobs, but I also dont think that constantly babying them will help.

In future I am going to tighten up my enforcement of the forums rules. Also. if a common question is asked, I shall do as above and maybe even lock the thread afterwards if the question was asked to a suitable standard in the link.

On that note, this thread is now surplus to requirements. Question has been answered about as well as it can be.

Thread Locked.