Whole lot of questions

[McArthur]

Hey all,

As some of you might have noticed, I'm keen on starting airsoft as my hobby. I know I'm not legally old enough to start, but thats not going to stop me learning about the sport.

Time spent as reconnisance is seldom wasted. It's a quote from a book by John Marsden. I follow the same principle, the more I learn now, and less I have to learn later and it also means the less mistakes I make later. I learnt that with paintball, I went rushing on in and ended up spending a tonne of money when I simply didn't need to.

So I have a couple of questions, I'm asking them here because I suspect Yoichi is getting sick of being bombarded by questions all the time ;)

1. You wear glasses for airsoft, but can't you still take damage to your face? Is it a good idea to find a balaclava which will cover my face but is made with light material so I don't choke on the damn thing?

2. What are the dates and details for playing at one of the LOD games? I'm keen to tag along one game to see how it all goes.

3. I have heard people mentioning that airsoft might soon become like paintball fields in that having refs/other players on the field at the same time is counted as "adult supervision"? What more to keep you in line than a bunch of men with guns :D

I will most likely keep on asking questions in this thread, so don't be surprised if this drags on for a while.

Cheers,

Tom McArthur

[Dorian]

for your first question, you will find that a balaclava often results in your glasses fogging. Alot of guys wear paintball masks, but some, like myself, prefer to look hard arse and ore army like. so its up to you.

[EasyGoer]

It is good that you are asking all the questions first. I lept in early on and bought up what I thought was good gear without asking first and now nearly all of it sits in the corner of my room unused.
With Glasses you certainly can take damage to your face and I am a prime example of that. I wear only glasses as compared with goggles or a mask and almost every game I attend I end up bleeding from a face shot (I am well known for it) so I highly recommend that you start with a full face mask. Not only does it stop the pain and remove the risk if a injury to your face but it also helps build your confidence out on the field. I good hit or two to the face certainly gets you a bit gun shy and alters your style of play while you try to avoid another hit.
All the clubs in NZ will recommend you start with a full face mask instead of goggles or glasses. Once you have decided what you feel comfortable with you can move onto glasses if you choose.
For LOD dates of games you really need to get onto a LOD member, try Amoki (http://www.airsoft.net.nz/forums/member.php?u=27) or kilo6alpha. (http://www.airsoft.net.nz/forums/member.php?u=158)
Whether Airsoft goes like paintball with fenced fields and umpires is yet not decided and also alot of clubs will not allow people under 16 (with a firearms licence) or 18 to play regardless of guidelines (and they are only guidelines not laws) The New Zealand law is pretty clear on the legal requirements to own a Airsoft weapon, it is not so clear as to exactly what conditions underage players may play under so alot of clubs are tending to keep to what is the law for their own safety and that of their members.
You are highly encouraged to get hold of your local club (sounds like LOD) and to perhaps go out to some of their games as a non participating observer, it will give you a good idea of what equipment is needed and will let you talk to people in a face to face situation where you can get the exact answers you want.

[Dirty Heathen]

HHmm sounds like full face is way to go lol.

[Dorian]

Especially if you like to smile at incoming fire :D

[Dirty Heathen]

Are paint ball mask ok lense strength wise?

Like this one
http://www.battlesoft.co.nz/shop//product_info.php?cPath=21_28&products_id=111

[McArthur]

Sweet, I'll grab a decent paintball mask sometime.

EasyGoer, I had the thought last night, if minors were allowed by their club to play, then the only thing left is that I cannot legally own a gun. In one way, I would like this "rule", but on the other I would kinda feel like I'm going through a loophole, because of LOD did allow me to do the whole paintball-rental field thing, I would buy my guns and hand them over to the club.

[McArthur]

Also, sorry for the double post, but http://www.paintballshop.co.nz/products/masksgoggles.aspx

[Stretch]

But you couldn't buy guns in the first place to hand over to LOD:o
Is that what you mean?

McArthur you can just edit your post and add whatever so there is no need for double posting:)

[Amoki]

Hey all,

1. You wear glasses for airsoft, but can't you still take damage to your face? Is it a good idea to find a balaclava which will cover my face but is made with light material so I don't choke on the damn thing?

Get a full face mask. Most balaclavas trap moisture => fogging, unless you go for the operator stuff but even that is not a gurantee.


2. What are the dates and details for playing at one of the LOD games? I'm keen to tag along one game to see how it all goes.

Either ask Yoichi or me or kilo6alpha, as while we have a presence in this forum we are predominantly based in the APA forum. You will need to have your details sussed before we will let you play a game however as required by the law.

EasyGoer, I had the thought last night, if minors were allowed by their club to play, then the only thing left is that I cannot legally own a gun. In one way, I would like this "rule", but on the other I would kinda feel like I'm going through a loophole, because of LOD did allow me to do the whole paintball-rental field thing, I would buy my guns and hand them over to the club

Tom, as it is LOD doesn't allow minors to play in our club simply because we cannot watch over minors with an airsoft gun ALL the time, and therefore cannot ahere to the spirit of "adult supervision" in the Arms Code. Furthermore, as you will probably end up buying your gun(s) through the club armourer, if we were to help you procure an airsoft gun in any way we are breaking the law - because even though technically you are handing the gun to us, you are the default owner of the gun. You really have to wait until you are 16 with a firearms licence.

[McArthur]

I mean, if I was allowed to go to a club and borrow their gear to play on their field under their supervision, I would buy myself my GBB and G36, and hand them over to the club as a "temporary donation".

I would then bring my own gear from home, meaning I would own all the airsoft stuff, but I just don't keep my gun on me, I keep it with responsible people. Singapore do this, you can only keen your paintball markers stored in a case at the local paintball field under their supervision.

[McArthur]

Oh, Amoki, thanks man. I think I wrote my last question badly. I was talking about whether or not minors would be allowed to play on fields as they currently do on paintballl fields. However, I can see the sense in not allowing random kids to walk on and have a shoot-up.

[Stretch]

I mean, if I was allowed to go to a club and borrow their gear to play on their field under their supervision, I would buy myself my GBB and G36, and hand them over to the club as a "temporary donation".

I would then bring my own gear from home, meaning I would own all the airsoft stuff, but I just don't keep my gun on me, I keep it with responsible people. Singapore do this, you can only keen your paintball markers stored in a case at the local paintball field under their supervision.

What you are talking about is illegal.You cannot own a gun,so therefore this situation cannot happen,whether or not LOD allows you to play as you are a minor.I know it seems like a solution but its breaking the law sorry.I'm not getting angry at you,just letting you know:)

And you can just edit your posts to include something you missed,instead of double posting.

[Amoki]

I mean, if I was allowed to go to a club and borrow their gear to play on their field under their supervision, I would buy myself my GBB and G36, and hand them over to the club as a "temporary donation".

But if you do so with the understanding that when you qualify for ownership you expect for those to be returned to you, you are still *technically* the owner. I know you are trying to find a way to play airsoft, but the law is the law.

My advice? Just spend some time working until you are 16, and save the money up. You will need at least $1K to get a decent starter kit, and put another .5-1K on top of that amount to buy yourself "luxury" kit like 5w radios, throat-mics, RDS optics, Magpuls mag assist, vertical grips etc.

[McArthur]

Thats a fair point. I'm just so damn keen to get started :D

Another question, do AEG's work in the rain, or is it risky?

[McArthur]

How many people here use Multicam?

Did you get it from www.ebaybanned.com (http://www.ebaybanned.com) ?

[Mouse]

I use multicam. Get a lot shit for it but i like it :)

Got mine from HK

[Dorian]

I use multicam. Get a lot shit for it but i like it :)


Thats cause it makes you stick out like the proverbial dogs bollocks

Only wear multicam if you can afford the real shit I say. I was qiute impressed by it, but the repro stuff? yeaahhhh naaaa

[McArthur]

Cool, I really like the look of it, but it's too damn expensive. I'll stick with black vest/holster and MARPAT for now.

[Amoki]

Cool, I really like the look of it, but it's too damn expensive. I'll stick with black vest/holster and MARPAT for now.

Black with MARPAT is a bad idea. The black will help you hide well where there's plenty of shadow, but otherwise you will stand out simply because there is nothing in nature that is black in colour AND you are wearing a big chunk of it at your chest (quoting research into disruptive pattern design in the US).

OD (especailly a chest rig) will help you blend in better tbh.

Coyote Brown is what the Marines use with their vest, but that's because their have use make the same gear to go with MARPAT woodland and MARPAT desert. Unless you are buying operator/genuine issused stuff no two Coyote Brown ever alike because Asian manufacturers does not "standardise" their CB. Even the Chinese MARPAT need a few rinse and wash before the colour is subdued enough to match the real deal.:o

so yeah - go OD.


EDIT: oh noes I sound like a geardo!

[McArthur]

hmm, but Yoichi raised a very good point with the black vests. If I get the black chest-rig, then I can use it in both CQB and outdoors. I'll be getting the TRU MARPAT stuff from OPSGEAR, and a black chest-rig from CheaperThanDirt.

Why would I get Coyote Brown? Isn't that brown colour pretty bad for New Zealand bush and for indoors?

[Amoki]

hmm, but Yoichi raised a very good point with the black vests. If I get the black chest-rig, then I can use it in both CQB and outdoors.

You can wear a pink vest for CQB and bush games if you want to too. With Hello Kitty stickers :).

I'll be getting the TRU MARPAT stuff from OPSGEAR, and a black chest-rig from CheaperThanDirt.

I would wait out and chat with kilo6alpha on a one-to-one basis on uniform material (he is the team seamstress/tailor) until you join LOD if I were you. As for chest rig, again, don't get them until you join LOD. We can get them for you when we do a bulk club order to save on shipping.

[McArthur]

Ahhh, okay.

Everything in this forum for newbies points to one thing > Go to a club day and find out there :p

I guess it's for a good reason :cool:

EDIT: Oh yeah, do AEG's work well in rainy weather?

[Amoki]

EDIT: Oh yeah, do AEG's work well in rainy weather?

They do, but highly not recommended. Your electric airsoft gun is obviously runs of electricty etc., and water may damage the electronic systems inside your gun if it gets in. Water will also affect the hop-up of the gun, and without the backspin your BBs can't really go the distance.

Ahhh, okay.

Everything in this forum for newbies points to one thing > Go to a club day and find out there

QFTMFT

[McArthur]

heh, can't help but smile every time I read a response from you guys :D

[Dorian]

Actually brown has its place here.

Down here in the south island we play in pine forests. The ground is, funnily enough, coated in pine needles. Of all the uniforms Ive seen down here, the Chinese Tibetan fleckarn, shich is all brown, is one of the best.

Also, look at marpat. Notice how the main colour is a brown/tan? Brown is one of the few colours that is found in most environments, more so than green you will find.

However is saying that, apart from one uniform of mine, Im head to toe in green, cause its what the Russians do and they're awesome :P

[Amoki]

An example of CB in action with MARPAT (ripped from airsoft Pacific (http://www.airsoftpacific.com/viewtopic.php?t=12181&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30)

(The colour is a bit off - too yellow, but you know it's CB because it fits perfectly with the CB of the MARPAT)

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s249/arkantuspc/FR22.jpg

[Dirty Heathen]

I found a couple of complete kits on tradme would these be any good?

I thought the price was not too bad for stater kit for someone new like me.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=147159521
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Hunting-shooting/Paintball/auction-147159524.htm

[BLACKHAWK]

actually that does look pretty cool. I might have to try out on one of those next week.

[McArthur]

I was browsing the picture threads on ArniesAirsoft, and I saw a picture of a guy in the "Zombie Hunter" thread, and he had an awesome looking shotgun. It looked pretty awesome, and the buckshot idea appeals to me, so I had a look around on WGCshop at their shotguns. A lot of them seem to be gas powered shells, where you put a couple of BB's in a shell, charge the shell with gas and then put them in the shotgun to fire. I got a couple of questions about these type of guns:
1. Are they appropriate velocity for CQB?
2. Are shells a real hassle to use, or do you get used to it?
3. Are these kind of gas powered shotguns actually worth it?

[Dirty Heathen]

A couple more questions..

How fit do you need to be?

I have seen a vid of guys playing in the UK using what seem to be flash bangs do players NZ use them for CQ.

[Black team-2]

we dont use them, i think they are banned?

and no u can be as unfit as you want :p

[Painless]

anyone remeber adamants sytles of play?

walk for 5 mins, sit your ass down, make a stack of mags next to you, take on the whole other team working your way through your mags, when you run out of ammo start using your pistol.

[BLACKHAWK]

I have seen players get tired from sitting in there base the whole day. I guess the stress must get to them :D

[Dorian]

LOl yeah thats true. They sit in base and they bitch and moan about being knackared at the end of it, whilst you have just charged said base all guns blazing and are still ready for a few more games